Midjourney and Dall•e 2 are different systems but how different?
To answer this we’re going to conduct a simple experiment. We’re gonna use the same prompt on both and compare the results! The final images might surprise you. They certainly surprised me!
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Depend on prompt you can create some stunning 3d realistic portrait at midjourney, you just need time to tweak it here and there. Words like photography, 3d, photorealistic, and use render engine that you prefer. I still prefer midjourney because for concept design midjourney could tickle your creative brain, and of course the pricing method why people still like midjourney. Overall I think this just early stage for public testing. I believe they will evole to something we cant imagine.
Can't wait for the close future where we have 30 or more different AIs and we look gigantic comparisons between them!
great video, thanks for sharing : )
It would be nice to see another comparison focused on long detailed prompts, to see which of the two can digest and successfully elaborate longer instructions… Dall-E2 seems to be more directable, but I've seen some spectacular midjourney results with long complex prompts…
Hopefully they won't be able to make the AI do 3D Motion Design videos for quite some time.
Great comparison video.
It would be interesting to see results If the prompt distinguished between art or photoreal for both systems.
More over I'm curious if there are already equivalent ai that could generate videos, instead of just stills. That would be be awesome for B roll etc for editors.
Nice to see other people doing what myself had to do sonner than later and save my time (plus old vocabulary remembered, I thought you said effy – girl's name of Greek origin meaning "fair speech", according to google – but it was iffy, a word I hadn't seen in decades)
Great video, I really enjoy your other AI ones too. Midjourney might seem hard to art direct, but its far easier (and much more powerful) when you use prompt weights between different clauses. These make a massive difference when used effectively. Check the Midjourney docs for more info.
And also, try the –chaos flag on Midjourney. There are so many more options hidden away which make it way more powerful.
incredible! I found MidJourne vastly superior (aka more "artistic") to Dall-E
I keep hoping to hear about a text to 3D diffuser or something that works along those lines. Being able to dream up amazing things and then have them available as 3D models. It would be truly magical. My main love is 3D printing and I don't have to tell anyone reading this just how stunning A.I generated real world models would be. Heck why not dream further and have the engine intelligently cut up the model for any printer size and add the smartest supports too. A guy can dream as big as these A.I's
It's made by ai..
It still amazes me that how AI can process Natural Languages and can understand it to make new images WOW ! we have come so far and who knows what will the future this is just beginning
Yeah! The biggest issue I've got on Midjourney is that it seems completely studied by ArtStaion! Not even good ol' DeviantArt. While Dall-E2 shows a great variotions of styles. Yep, also controllable
I got invited to Dall-E and honestly after using MidJourney I didn't like it, Personal preference I guess. MJ seems to toss me amazing results left and right while Dalle is hit or miss, mostly miss.
If you didn't get tired of videos about dalle, Piximperfect made one ("when AI edits your photos") showing how many things are possible within this platform. It would be interesting to watch the same with your own twist.
Dalle-a? no way – if I would choose – SD for sure, alternativelly MJ – expecially that there will be new generation model based on SD. fk google
Good review. My experiences strongly mirror yours. As you said, MJ's strong suit is its painterly / creative interpretation of prompts, even as its current form is far from DAL's understanding of common language. My experiences have led me to see these as simply different engines. MJ's randomness and lack of realism is just as frustrating as DAL's lack of excitement and creativity. Both have strong pros and both have strong cons. The good news is that both engines are evolving quickly. Honestly, who knows where each of these engines will be in 6 months, much less than in a couple of years??
I’ve been using DALL-E 2 for just a while. I started with a project where I wanted things to look the same, so I stuck to a single art style, and have not yet done very much exploration of how it produces other art styles. And I have, of course, run into the same problems with weirdly distorted outcomes, or what I call a Star Trek transporter accident, where someone has three arms or things growing out of their head! But when I see people talking about MidJourney and they scroll through images, the MidJourney stuff looks way better than anything I’ve seen from DALL-E 2. But this side by side comparison shows that it does have its problems. I might want that “MidJourney look” for some things, but not want it for other things. This could get expensive! Of course, you chose to feature three things that all of these AI art generators have trouble with; faces, hands and text. But that tiny house comparison was revealing, DALL-E2 did much better. And MidJourney’s inability to be photographic with those female faces, but instead be painterly was revealing. And those mutated hands with the watches were much worse than what DALL-E did with its hands. But… I think I liked the MidJourney cityscape comparison better. And the first sad girl images from MidJourney. Oh well, onward in perfecting my DALL-E 2 prompt writing skills! Maybe do another video making comparisons that don’t feature faces, hands and text.
Thanks for the excellent "prompt teaching!" I'm definitely a Dall-E fan and will not go anywhere else (for now:-)! I began with Midjourny, but I will not go back for the reasons you mention. Even if I think there is an abundance of opportunities to redefine the prompts and get magnificent results in MidJourny, the Discord process is too messy for me:-)
4:39 the one on the right, even though it didn't follow the prompt, I think that one is a neat painting
Loving it man. Digital crack. Great work.
i have question. is dall-e 2 and dall-e is same? and how to get acces to dalle-2 when you already have dall-e
Both, as they are that opposite. Different tools, more and fast produtivity.
4:49 which is exactly why i dig Midjourney more than Dall-E-2.
I honestly had a really hard time with both, I think maybe my concepts are just too abstract for them to understand, DALL-E seems to do well with those photo style renders but I was unable to get a usable face out of any of my tries and many of my digital art style images looked like a 3 year old drew them with crayons, that being said when I plugged in some things on sci-fi cities in digital art style it seemed to do really well… I like the textural quality and abstract art style of midjourney though it was also hit or miss I feel like my cpu time doesn’t go as far as DALL-E does, but I did end up with more usable images though none of them were clear either and I still had a really hard time getting it render results like what I see others do. The verdict is out for on whether it’s worth my money for a conceptual tool or not, I think I would probably just be able to draw what I want, though the color packets and textures are nice in both and I could use those as a starting, don’t know I’m not sure how valuable a tool this is for me right at this moment.
what a good idea.
So we can compare the style .
W O W, absolute gorgeous! Masterpieces. Love AI
Dalle2, you have to go on a '''''@Wait List"" !!!!! ? WTF, why not mention this in your Video. Plus the fact that you get a few tries on MidJourney then you have to 'Subscribe''' this is not important ? being asked to PAY for yet another American 'BETA' project and be a paying 'tester' is just American BS !!!! Nothing positive to say about either of these scams !!
This is the worst comparation ever between dalle an midjourney. You dont know how to use midjourney
Mid journey was available instantly where as dall e is making me wait weeks now to access it. So guess I know which one I'm going to use.
I agree MidJourney is difficult to direct with very specific prompts, but artistically it's so much better than dall e. Dall e almost always nails it in regards to prompt but images often look like they were made by an amateur artist.
I tried Dall-E same commands and was completly disapointed. No interesting pictures, but truth is, more realistic.
I have no feeling for it for it was created without feeling, thought or nature.
It shouldn't be enough that a picture just pops into existence, out of a statistical model of what looks good squirted through a neural network.
It has no intellectual value.
it may replace all the shit artists and all the shit customers… Its a shite filter.
Either your sponsored by Dalle or your too lazy to learn prompt craft in MidJourney
Why are you filming your face instead of showing design examples?
Wow, thanks for a fantastic vid!
MidJourney is way better
It seems to me like Midjourney is more Dali-like than Dall-E…
Dall-E Understands short prompts better than Midjourney, tho, with Midjourney i managed to get very often better results, in an artistic, interesting way.
I find mid journey way better with fantasy stuff, Dall-e better with realistic images.
The biggest 2 problems with Dall-E are:
1) in order to get a good looking image you need to be very specific and know what you want to see, while in Mid every image looking so good!
2) when you trying to input lot of prompts into Dall-e you will get lot of bugs, stuff I can't even understand why the AI chose to show.
Anyway, good video, but these are different AI, Dall-E is strong with few prompts so it's kind of unfair to Midjourney.
If you test lot of prompts you'll see how Midjourney is better.
Also I can assume you didn't used Midjourney many features like:
–chaos, –style, weights::10 –testp (for photographic resaults), –quality, –ar
Anyway, I just needed sort of justice for Midjourney xD
DOLL E (DAHL EE). like the artist Salvador Dali.
I liked the Video!
I would care about a video where you don't use the same promt but go for a specific outcome.
To me both AI are still very good for inspiration and happy little accidents but hard for specific stuff you have in mind. Especially Fantasy Illustration where a established world with a distinctive look to fantasy creatures are established. I agree in the assessment that DALL-E is easier to work with since it "listens" better. Midjourny is easier in my opinion if you just want something nice "ready to use"
Funny how I'm trying the very same prompts in Dalle2 and I get some awful disfigured faces or bad shadow and light scenes… 😢 I'm trying to get a sad big bodied woman sitting on a chair with the same layout you had in the first comparison… No success yet 😔
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They chose female characters for "uncomfortable sadness" because they are trained on real world art, and art about feeling uncomfortable and sad is overwhelmingly by females, and it is art about themselves feeling that way, and in the form of self-portraits. Females also look in the mirror a lot more than males do, and they paint themselves more. Males tend to paint females, and females tend to paint females. This is, in essence, because males and females are different. They look different, and they feel differently inside.
Furthermore, if a male artist does make art expressing feelings of discomfort and sadness, he is less likely to label it as such. Thus, the A.I. won't associate it with those terms. More likely he will think of it as, and label it, in reference to the events that made him feel that way: 'After a breakup,' or 'At Grandma's Funeral,' rather than 'An uncomfortable sadness.' This is because males are, on average, more externally and object/action oriented, as opposed to internally and emotion oriented.
Asking the devs why it chose females is asking the wrong people; they didn't code it to do that. They probably don't know why. They coded it to copy human artists. So you need to understand why human artists do that. And that area of science is Psychology.
(Btw, in the image on the right, @ 3:30, the light is coming from the right side.)
I think this is solely personal taste. There were several points where you said "Dall-E is CLEARLY superior to Midjourney in this case" when it had generated simply an image, whereas Midjourney made an artwork or painting. For my needs & uses (mostly concept art), its tendency toward artistic and moody things is perfect and "CLEARLY superior". They're both good, but for very different uses I feel.
(Example: generating a world map for D&D in Midjourney gives cool painted landscapes, whereas Dall-E 2 gave me… a road map.)
that's funny, I get the exact opposite result. For example, typing something simply like Cthulhu in Dall-e yields kindergarten drawings of something vaguely monstrous, while in midjourney I get exactly Cthulhu.
as a tip adding keywords like "photograph" into midjourney, will yield something more akin to a photograph.
DALL-E is best for realistic photos. Midjourney for stylized photos.
Great looking video… how did you put the images in moving frames in the intro?
how to get access to DALL-E-2?
need to redo this video midjourny has had an amazing update! fully life like 8k renders! now!!
This needs to be upddated taken into consideration the more realistic test on midjourney
Concur with all your points. Interestingly, I personally like very much the moody, nightmarish renders from Midjourney, which is hard to get from Dall-e. I have Dall-e but somehow found enjoying more the wacky colorful compositions midjourney gave me. Great video
I'm finding that unless you specify a male subject, they will always choose female first. I imagine it could be a result of there simply being so many more images of women online to train the AIs with.
Well since I have never been able to use Dalle 2 I vote for Midjourney.
why do they choose a female? oh idk… maybe because you said WOMAN in the prompt? these SJWs…
Pretty much everything came out of Midjourney are moody, 2d concept paintings; Dall-E on the other hand loves the stock photo looking images
Stable is somewhere in the mid
Easy…in the art the ai learned from there s more females portraits…
Dalle for photography images. Midjourney for illustration.
I haven't tried Dalle (not received acceptance), but I do use Midjourney. I have noticed with MJ that there is a certain "sameness" to many of the compositions. But in all reality, we are just at the beginning of the AI revolution. It will get better.
What about a comparison between DALL-E & Diffusion?
Sorry but I couldn't watch further than the 1 minute mark, the way you were pronouncing the name for dall-e was really distracting. The name should be pronounce the same as the animation movie, wall-e, it's basically an intended pun. I don't know how to type the pronunciation but I recommend you to search online. Feel free to ignore my critic, but it really was super distracting and I couldn't continue with the video. Cheers
Thumbs down, your comparison is wrong because you should learn How to use them before doing a stupid exploration of your lack of understanding of the tools.
Midjourney is all about your choice of "key" words in the prompt and also your settings, would recommend "–test –s 1250 –upbeta" / "–testp –s 1250 –upbeta" for better photo/portrait or use "normal or –hd" with the new "remaster" feature! This can make very good "painted" kinda photos as well, would still really like to get access to Dall•E 2 as well, mostly for the feature to replace objects or background
you are doing it wrong 😆
PLEASE, DALL-E2 is good for photography, but MIDJOURNEY it's so fabulous, for creating the spectacular Image, for me MIDJOURNEY IS the best really really
We’re all art directors know.
I like Dall-e better. Midjourney would be perfect at making a heavy metal album cover.
As you mentioned DALL-E and Midjourney are completely different systems. You can’t get the same results by typing the same basic prompts in both A.I’s. You can get realistic and astonishing results in Midjourney just by being more specific and detailed in your prompts.
I always get awkward results with DALL-E, especially distorted faces on human and animals, way to far from the photorealism I see in this video. Is there an upgrade for obtaining quality like this?
Would be interesting to see DallE vs Midjourney's features –testp and –test
I mean of course it will pick a female character by default, how many drawings/photos of man are there in proportion to woman on the internet.
great video
I haven't used Dall-E but from what I've seen it does seem to have some advantages. In using Midjourney I quickly realised that aiming to produce something too specific will often see you sitting there redoing and tweaking prompts forever without ever getting what you want. If you can find the sweet spot of vague:specific and look for serendipitous results then it can produce good results.
Your approach here was good although it still seems possible that understanding the language of midjourney and the technical ways to influence the results (–seeds, –style, –iw, text weights etc) is an important aspect and the tool hasn't had the chance to show what it can do if these tricks are implemented. Dall-E seems much easier to pick up but there is some potential that MJ could be a powerful tool and it's just the learning curve that is difficult (although it does appear that Dall-E has the edge anyway).
One prompt trick I would have liked to see you try, is using art styles or artists to influence the style of the image. I have found that MJ works well with some styles and can emulate some more abstract artists very accurately.
For me, the result matters most, and if I have to tweak the description a few times to get what I want, that's not a problem. So having a system that adheres to that description and responds when I change it is best for me. Therefore, I agree with your general position that DALL-E is superior for most projects.
4:43 agree, mine too 😂😂
Thank you for the video. Interesting.
But I think it is not fair to compare the images directly from the same promts, because MidJourney is by defult more at the painted spectrum, while Dalle is more of the photo realism.
To get a more fair comparison I think that you for example should give a promt in MidJourney to produce photo realism instead of painted, and THEN look at the different results.
Have a beautiful day!
I prefer midjourney. I don't want a result I already have in my head, I want inspiration and surprise.
Easy summary:
Midjourney: Artistic
Dall.E2: Photographic
Have you tried creating an image in one, then using that as a reference image in the other? Use Midjourney's abstract, painterly tendency to inform Dall-E's output.
Dimitris is talking like an AI but its cool.
You saved me a lot of time trying to experiment with Midjourney as another tool, which I just find "dark" and not "elegant" or "special" from your examples. I am nowhere near close to exhausting the various artist and painterly "styles" that Dall-E gives me, including the incredible Outpainting. I use Klimt as my favorite artist to mimic, and I have managed to coax giant wall art from various such artists with Dall-E outputs that I would be proud to hang on entire home, apartment, or gallery walls, as I specialize in 4'x8' panels… now HOW to get that size imaged and printed on stretch canvas or fabric? That I don't know yet, I might have to use projectors to throw the digital images onto the walls or panels… and then I probably need to deepen the resolution, and there are tools for that.
Midjourney is the Hieronymus Bosch of AI art generators.
this must be before the update in midjourney –test –testp
Well I can't access Dall-E unfortunately pffft
I think either can be like the other if you want.
I wasn't impressed with Dall-E until I started adding Digital Art to everything. The stuff that comes out of midjourney with hyper-realistic is pretty close to Dall-E as well.
I prefer Dalle, brah
I made better real portrait photography with midjourney than dalle using upbeta and testp prompts.
Couldn't have disagree more lol, Dall-E to me seems like just another photography website out there, I kinda get it but not really lol
Irrelevant today, just for the photos, you did not test Midjourney with the option –testp
This guys is obviously not a metal head. 😂
I typed "a male lion roaming on the African plains" in mid journey I got a pile of straw in Dall e I did get a male lion on the African plains. But no artistic merit. I tweeted it with Absract painting and got the image I wanted. But with mid journey I get great landscapes. And fantasy pictures. So if I don't get what I want from one I used the other
good video, but stop constantly moving your head and trying to be at 3qtr all the time, makes this difficult to watch. get over your insecurities, look at the camera.
I have been using midjourney, and it seems the more I learn about prompts, the worse my photos become. When I just enter 1 word descriptions, the photos are incredible but if I put a lot of descriptive words on what I want, the less it becomes what I want. I will try dalle e
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Because more women suffer from depression than men.
Thanks for sharing your test on prompts, what everyone should realize is that each platform has their own prompt key words and formatting. So to get the best results from your tools you have to educate yourself about each one because there is NO STANDARD (yet). I'm hoping to create my own similar video in response and I'll let you know when it's published. 🙂
Pour moi, Midjourney et Dall-e sont complémentaires. J'utilise les 2. Midjourney offre un résultat plus artistique, plus graphique que Dall-e et ce dernier offre un résultat plus photographique.
Before you compare, you have to improve a lot on Midjourney because there is a curse of progression. Your current level is still too low.
Mid Journey fucking sucks lol